Why Falsifiability?

Some people have pointed to certain “theories” as being extremely “robust”, which means that they can fit any observations we make in the real world.  Far from being a strength of those “theories” this “robustness” is a fundamental flaw.


In formal logic there’s a kind of statement called a “tautology.” This is a statement where, no matter what the state of the various parameters of it, the statement itself works out as true.  Given the statement p OR NOT(p) the statement is true regardless of whether P is true.

One fact about tautologies.  They can tell you nothing about state of the variables involved.  Consider:  “either it is raining or it is not raining”. This statement is always true.  Either liquid water is falling from clouds in the sky making one side of the “or”, and thus the entire statement, true, or liquid water is not falling from clouds in the sky, making the other side of the “or”, and thus the entire statement true.  The truth of the statement tells you nothing about whether you need an umbrella or not.

To tell you anything about the world, a statement must have some possible conditions, at least in potential–whether they occur in the real world or not–where the statement would be true and others, again at least in potential, where it would be false.  In that case, the truth of the statement gives you information about the world.  “It is training” might be true, might not be, but if true than we know that an umbrella could be advisable.  In order to tell you anything about the world, a statement has to exclude possibilities.  It must also permit possibilities–a statement that is always false no matter the state of the elements in it is called a contradiction and is similarly useless in conveying information about the world.

These are simple examples and may seem trivial but the concept is extremely general.  Any statement, no matter how simple, or how complex, that is always true (or always false for that matter) regardless of the state of the various elements in it is a tautology and cannot actually convey information.

This is an important concept in the physical sciences.  There must be possible observational results that, if observed, would lead to the conclusion that the theory is wrong.  Without that, it’s a tautology and conveys no information.  It’s not right and it’s not even wrong.  It’s not meaningful enough to be right or wrong.  It’s just empty words.

The late Richard Feynman described this process in his famous physics lectures.  How to find new laws of nature.

  1. Guess what the new law might be. (Generally after much observation to try to discern a pattern.)
  2. Calculate what must happen if your guess is true.  This might be an individual result–a rock will fall when dropped–or it might be something of a statistical nature–half of the electrons emitted will be spin up and half spin down.  But either way the specific result expected must be calculated.
  3. Compare the results of the calculation to experiment.  Now, some people will object that some things you can’t do in a lab.  No, you can’t.  It’s rather hard to create a star and observe its evolution to test theories of stellar evolution.  However, you don’t need to do that.  You take the predictions of what we would observe from existing stars then look out with our instruments at the sky and see if what we see matches those predictions.  Same with other things that can’t be done in a lab.   Determine (calculate) what must happen in nature then go look.
  4. If experiment does not agree with the results of your calculations you’re wrong.  When observation and theory don’t match it’s the  theory that must go not the other way around.  Yes, observational error can happen.  You can have non-representative data where some other factor is affecting the results and it’s valid to check for that.  But not fitting your theory is not reason by itself to dismiss the data.  And you can’t use your theory to “correct” the data or even as a benchmark to say when to stop.  The data must stand or fall on its own and the theory either fits it…or not.  If you want to exclude “bad data” you’d better be able to justify it without appeal to your theory.  If you want to “adjust” the data for measurement error, you’d better be able to justify that without appeal to your theory.  And you’d better be prepared to show the original data, the exclusions and adjustments, and the justifications for them so that others can validate the work.
    1. It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is.  It doesn’t matter how smart you are or what degrees you have.  None of that matters.  All that matters is whether or not it agrees with observation.
    2. Note, though, that you make the calculation first.  You don’t go through all the data available and pick some that seems to fit your initial guess.   You need to make your testable predictions first, then look to see if they hold up.  If you simply grab on things that happen to agree you’re not doing science.  If your calculations say that A must happen and B can’t, and you look and see both A and B happening, well, guess what.  You’re wrong.  All of the predictions that come out of the theory must hold for the theory to hold.
  5. One thing that Feynman did not say was when you’d know the theory was right.  The reason for that is simply.  You can’t.  The most you can ever say is that it is consistent with available data.  There always remains the possibility of new data invalidating the theory and having to start over at “guess.”

In the end, a theory that can never be falsified, that no possible data can ever overturn is no theory at all.  It’s neither right nor wrong.  It’s too meaningless even to rise to the level of “wrong.” But it might well be very useful politically.

I’m sure we can all think of examples.


What Did I Want? (What Do I Want?) A Blast from the Past


Came across this recently:

The first person narrator Evelyn Cyril (Oscar) Gordon:

“What did I want?  I wanted a Roc’s egg. I wanted a harem loaded with lovely odalisques less than the dust beneath my chariot wheels, the rust that never stained my sword,. I wanted raw red gold in nuggets the size of your fist and feed that lousy claim jumper to the huskies! I wanted to get u feeling brisk and go out and break some lances, then pick a like wench for my droit du seigneur–I wanted to stand up to the Baron and dare him to touch my wench! I wanted to hear the purple water chuckling against the skin of the Nancy Lee in the cool of the morning watch and not another sound, nor any movement save the slow tilting of the wings of the albatross that had been pacing us the last thousand miles.

I wanted the hurtling moons of Barsoom. I wanted Storisende and Poictesme, and Holmes shaking me awake to tell me, “The game’s afoot!” I wanted to float down the Mississippi on a raft and elude a mob in company with the Duke of Bilgewater and the Lost Dauphin.

I wanted Prestor John, and Excalibur held by a moon-white arm out of a silent lake. I wanted to sail with Ulysses and with Tros of Samothrace and eat the lotus in a land that seemed always afternoon. I wanted the feeling of romance and the sense of wonder I had known as a kid. I wanted the world to be what they had promised me it was going to be–instead of the tawdry, lousy, fouled-up mess it is.”

Gordon was about to get that.  However, very few people get selected by Her Wisdom, Star, the Empress of 20 Universes to tread the Glory Road.

As a kid I wanted so very many things.  I wanted to be a super hero.  I wanted to walk on the moon and Mars.  I wanted to venture beyond the solar system and be the first to see some star and its planets up close with my own eyes.  I wanted to find a world of magic where I could help to defeat dark forces in the service of the light.

I wanted a lot of stuff that I couldn’t have.

I couldn’t have it, but I could at least write about it.  A lot of my early fiction was me imagining myself in these places what I hoped to do, what I hoped to accomplish in them.  Oh, I never went full “Mary Sue” (Marty Stu) giving “myself” unlimited abilities–the gallant hero, master of every form of combat, handsome, brave, wise, educated in all the arts and sciences, so wonderful that lesser men grovel at his feet.  Okay, I rarely went full Marty Stu.

It was a learning experience.

But always I had to come back to a humdrum existence.

But does existence have to be so humdrum?  I may not be the first to climb Everest but any slope I ascend for the first for me.  I’d never been there before.  I may not walk on the moon, but there are places I haven’t walked.  There are places where you can go and do a full three hundred sixty degree turn and not see one sign of human habitation from you to the horizon.

So maybe I have to be responsible, to see that my daughter gets to school every day, that there’s food on the table and a roof over our heads.  But that doesn’t mean I can’t find things to stretch myself, to challenge myself, a world beyond the humdrum.

So, while in between all the bills needing paid and dirty socks needing washed, find something exciting.

Go skydiving.  Challenge gravity and win.

Take a flying lesson.  You may not have the time and money to get a license but just once you can have your hands on the controls of an airplane and have it respond to what you do.

Leave the ordinary behind, if only for an hour.


Dum vivimus vivamus.

While we live, let us live!

Receive Value from your Hobbies

So, over on the Book of Faces, there was this.


If she hadn’t put in that bit about “A capitalist lie” I would have zero disagreement with the post–which, as people might imagine, is pretty rare for me.  I don’t even agree with myself all the time.  And, yes, that’s as confusing as you might imagine.

That one statement, however, is so completely at odds with what capitalism is–the voluntary exchanges of goods and services at prices set by the free market–that it boggles the mind.

However, perhaps the poster is confusing “value” with “money.”

The thing about capitalism and the free market is that every individual is allowed to put whatever value they want on anything.  The only thing is, anyone they are trading with also gets to do so.  I can value that workhorse Explorer in my garage at $10,000 if I want in that I wouldn’t trade it for less than that (maybe sentimental value–its market value isn’t anywhere close to that).  That doesn’t mean anyone’s going to offer me $10,000 (see “market value isn’t anywhere close to that”). And, unless I find somebody who values it more than I value it, then the trade doesn’t happen.  There’s no way I’m going to get $10,000 for that Explorer.  But the price I could sell it for is not its value.  The value is what it would take, the least valuable thing I would accept as a fair trade for it.

Of course in reality I’m not particularly attached to that Explorer.  I need the cargo capacity.  Between my daughter’s hockey gear, her cello, her Baritone sax, and (now trombone of all things!) small cars just will not do.  (The Miata sits sadly and forlornly in the garage awaiting the day I’ll be able to get it on the road again.)  I also want at leat minimal off-road capability and something that’s reasonably comfortable on longer drives (like, say, my drives down to LibertyCon).  It serves all those purposes and any trade will have to equally well serve those purposes before I’ll make it voluntarily.

With hobbies, the question isn’t whether they make money.  That’s not the value they bring to most people.  One of my own hobbies is ice skating. (Oh, no!  Really?) And that costs money.  The skates–I needed good quality skates, professionally fitted because of my foot issues–were…not cheap.  Lessons cost $144 per eight mostly weekly sessions.  OTOH, while I’m in lessons skating during the public skate times at the rink is free.  Two sessions a week and it evens out.  I try for four and so come out well ahead.  Still, that’s $18 a week (average) for a hobby that’s never going to pay me a dime.  Disney on Ice is never going to hire me as a company skater and certainly not as a featured performer.  I might get hired on as a skate guard but that wouldn’t possibly pay enough to justify quitting my current job.

But the money I could earn at it isn’t the value.  The exercise and improvement in my health and fitness therefrom is a value.  The sense of accomplishment as I learn new techniques and new “tricks” (my backward one-foot glides are starting to come along) is a value.  The fun and enjoyment I get from rounding the rink and feeling the rush of my blades moving over the ice and an actual wind in my face from the movement is a value.

Value does not mean money.  Value is a personal thing.  Value is what you would trade to have something or, conversely, what you would accept to give something up.

$144 every two-ish months.  I value the ice skating more than that.  Therefore I’m willing to trade that money to make it happen.  And I will continue so long as I don’t need that money to trade for something I value more (like, say, my daughter’s well-being).

So, as long as you value your hobbies more than their cost–and you’re not giving up something you value more to do so–and that includes not demanding other people to cover the cost for what you value–then indulge.

It’s the capitalist way.

The Battle of Tours

Yes, I did this the last two years.  Doing it again this year because this is an important date for Western Civilization.  In fact, I think I might just make it an annual tradition:


On this date, in AD732, Charles Martel led the Franks against Muslim invaders near the city of Tours and turned back the tide of Islamic advance at the Battle of Tours (sometimes called the Battle of Poitiers).

In the preceding 110 years, Islam, thanks to the diligent efforts of polite young men in white shirts and neckties on bicycles going out two-by-two, had spread from its origins in the Arabian peninsula through south-central Asia and across the north of Africa, and up into the Iberian peninsula.

Did I say polite young men in white shirts and ties on bicycles going out two-by-two?  Just kidding.  That’s Mormons.  The Muslims did it by going out conquering and to conquer, slaughtering everyone who would not submit, in a tide of blood across all their conquered lands.

It seemed that Muhammed and his successors did not understand that “Jihad” meant internal struggle over oneself and that “Islam” meant “peace” and the meaning of “submission” was one’s own submission to Allah.  They apparently thought “Jihad” meant real war against unbelievers, using real swords and spears, leaving real dead and mutilated bodies in its wake and the “submission” was forcing those not in Islam to submit to it.  But what did they know?  They only founded the religion or followed in the footsteps of the founder.

Muslims of the Umayyad dynasty, chiefly Berbers, invaded the Iberian peninsula (really, it was a military invasion, not a lot of missionaries on bicycles.  Besides, the bicycle hadn’t been invented yet).  Within a decade they had essentially conquered the Iberian peninsula and were expanding across the Pyrenees into what would eventually be part of southern France.

In the spring of 732, these Umayyad Muslims defeated Duke Odo at the Battle of the River Garonne, thus setting the stage for what was to come.

Odo, surviving the battle, asked the Franks for help.  Charles Martel, “Mayor of the Palace” (Ruler in all but name but it would wait for his son, Pepin the Short, for his line to officially claim the throne) would only promise aid in return for Odo submitting to Frankish authority.

While this was going on, the Umayyads, in apparent unconcern about possible Frankish might, advanced toward the Loire river.  Lax in scouting and unconcerned, they did not note the power massing to oppose them.

The Umayyads were mostly cavalry.  Charles, according to accounts, was mostly infantry, but heavily armed and armored infantry.  One of the Franks main weapons was the Francisca, a heavy-headed, short-handled throwing axe.  The Byzantine historian Procopius (c. 500–565) described the axes and their use thus:

…each man carried a sword and shield and an axe. Now the iron head of this weapon was thick and exceedingly sharp on both sides while the wooden handle was very short. And they are accustomed always to throw these axes at one signal in the first charge and thus shatter the shields of the enemy and kill the men.

And at the time of Charles Martel, the axes were still in common use.  It would be some time yet before the Frankish forces converted to being primarily cavalry under the successors to Charles Martel.

When the Umayyads reached the Franks and their allies, they faced off with skirmishes while waiting for their full force to arrive.

Finally, the forces were all ready and the day of battle arrived.  Abd-al-Raḥmân, the leader of the Umayyad forces, trusted to the strength of his cavalry and had them charge repeatedly at the Frankish infantry lines.  The incredibly disciplined infantry stood its ground staunchly despite (according to Arab sources) Umayyad cavalry breaking into their formation several times.

A charge of Umayyad broke through, attempting to reach Charles reasoning, probably correctly, that if they could kill Charles the Frankish army would break.  However Charles’ liege men surrounded him and held off the attack.

While the battle still raged, rumors went through the Umayyad forces that Frankish scouts were threatening the Umayyad baggage train and threatening to carry off the loot they’d already gathered in their march northward.  Arab reports indeed claim that this was the case (in a second day of battle where Frankish reports say it only lasted one day).

This, apparently was too much for many of the Umayyads.  Fight them on the field of battle.  Throw axes at them.  Stab at them with spears and slash at them with swords.  All good.  But threaten their loot?  No way.

However, they didn’t appear to make clear to their compatriots what exactly they were doing and why.  The others saw them heading back the way they’d come and thought they were in retreat.  And “if he’s retreating, maybe I should be too” is a thought soldiers have shared many a time throughout history.  The result was the Umayyads went into full-fledged retreat.  Abd-al-Raḥmân tried to stop the retreat and, as a result, was surrounded and killed.

The next day, Charles, fearing the possibility of an ambush, kept his troops in formation in their relatively secure position.  He did, however, send out extensive reconnaissance which discovered that the Umayyads had abandoned not only the field of battle but their own camp so fast that they’d left their tents behind, heading back to Iberia as fast as their horses and wagons could carry them taking what loot they could carry with them.

Had to protect that loot.

The Umayyads retreated south back over the Pyrenees and that remained the end of Muslim advance into Europe.  Further attempts into the European heartland were made but they came to naught in the end.  Charles Martel and his forces had broken the back of the Muslim conquest of Europe for many centuries to come.

How Charles Martel would weep to see Europe inviting in a new generation of invaders with open arms.

They Misspelled “Lies”

There was this article “5 Misconceptions Promoted by Democrats During Their ‘Gun Safety’ Forum”

  1. Gun Violence is an epidemic.
  2. In the light of risks students face, mass shooter drills in schools are sadly necessary.
  3. “Assault weapons” are uniquely deadly
  4. Background checks are an effective way to prevent mass shootings.
  5. The 2nd Amendment is about hunting.

Those aren’t “misconceptions.” They’re lies, pure and simple.  There is no room for reasonable people to disagree.  They are wrong, pure and simple.  They are indefensible.

They are lies.


Violent crime, including gun crime, is down.  It’s been coming down since the early to mid 90’s.  There have been a couple of times where it rose slightly for a couple of years (although nothing compared to how it had been falling) before continuing its downward trend.  There is no epidemic of gun crime no matter what the politicians, what the media, is telling you.

While events such as Parkland are horrific, the simple truth remains that there are something on the order of 98,000 schools where no such events have happened.  Although they get media coverage far out of keeping with their frequency, events such as Parkland or Sandy Hook or the like are exceedingly rare.  There are far more things to worry about, and deal with, than “mass shooters”.  The simple, ordinary, everyday bullying that goes on all the time but doesn’t make headlines is far more a threat than mass shooters have ever been and are likely ever to be.

“Assault weapons”, whatever they mean by the term this week, generally describe rifles of moderate power–the AR pattern rifle in the most common caliber (.223 Remington or 5.56 NATO) is near the bottom end of centerfire rifles in terms of power–about 1300 foot-pounds.  A common deer-hunting cartridge, the .30-30 Winchester has about 1800-1900 foot-pounds, with a larger bullet to cause a larger wound cavity.  The venerable .30-06 has on the order of 3000 foot-pounds, similar to that of the shotgun recommended by former Vice President Joseph Biden.  And they are semi-automatic, that means one bang per pull of the trigger.  Playing games with words like “fully semi-automatic” doesn’t change that.  Still one bang per pull of the trigger.

Background checks?  While I don’t advocate abolishing the current system (largely because it would be wasted effort at this point) the simple truth is that it’s utterly worthless when it comes to keeping guns out of hands of criminals.  When a sale is “denied” the felony committed by a prohibited person attempting to purchase a firearm is rarely prosecuted.  So the criminal is able to go on and find alternative methods of obtaining a gun if he wants one.  They can be stolen or purchased on the black market.  Most gun used in crime are stolen.  No background check in the world will prevent that.  Background checks are a red herring, serving no useful purpose.  They don’t stop criminals from getting guns.  All they do is increase the cost (the checks aren’t free, where do you think the money for running the background check system comes from) and hassle for law-abiding gun owners.

And the 2nd being about hunting?  Even their own arguments show that’s a lie. “It says well regulated militia” they say.  You think militias were formed to hunt deer?  Militias are formed to protect the people and the state.  Deer aren’t generally a threat to either.  Their argument about well-regulated militia is nonsense and is not the restriction on RKBA that they claim, but that they make the argument with regularity shows that the 2nd being about hunting is a lie.

So, no, there are no “misconceptions” here.  They are lying, pure and simple.

Amazon Customer Service

I have Sowell’s “Vision of the Anointed” on Audible. I wanted a text copy for easier reference for blog fodder. Apparently there’s a “quality problem” with the ebook version on Amazon so it’s not currently available. I ordered the print version. Hit “one click” then saw the shipping address was to my home rather than work address (where I have most things shipped). Couldn’t change the shipping address so canceled the order and re-ordered with the correct shipping address. All fine, right?

Wrong. They shipped _both_, one to home and one to work. Both for the same day. So I get the one at work, get home and the other one is sitting on the porch (at least it didn’t walk away).

Fortunately, this being Amazon, there wasn’t a problem with returning it. Filled out the form online with “no longer needed” as the reason and an explanation of that they’d shipped an order I’d cancelled in the comment. The return options were take it to a Kohl’s or a UPS store (no charge) or have UPS pickup ($5.99 charge). The Kohl’s thing was new. Indeed, the whole thing was new compared to the last time I’d had to return something where I printed out a UPS label and it was up to me to get it into UPS’s hands (drop box, store, or hand it to a driver when I see him).

I took it to Kohl’s. Didn’t have to pack it or anything, just hand them the book and let them read the QR code in the email I got. By the time I got home, the refund was processed.

Very pleased with how this was handled. This is how customer service should be.

Fisking “Goth Music will Destroy Your Child”: A Blast from the Past

happy goths

So there was this.  I want to think this is parody but I’ve heard every argument made here told with complete seriousness, just not usually all together.

As usual, the original is in italics, my comments are in bold.

Goth is a deplorable type of heathen culture

Actually, I am a Heathen (sort of) and the two are not the same.  Heathens, per modern definitions, are those who believe in and worship the Germanic/Norse Gods, also known as Asatru.  I don’t particularly believe in them–don’t particularly believe in any gods–but I try to follow the ways of modern Asatru as exemplified in the Nine Noble Virtues. (Yes, I know they are found nowhere in the surviving Lore, but as a concise distilling of the virtues that are exemplified in that lore, they serve.)  I know some Goths who are Heathen.  Most are not.

that glorifies everything that is vile and unholy.  The dictionary defines “Goth” as: A crude uncouth ill-bred person lacking culture or refinement.

Which Dictionary is this from, I wonder?

Merriam Webster says:

  1. :a member of a Germanic people that overran the Roman Empire in the early centuries of the Christian era

  2. often not capitalized
    a :rock music marked by dark and morbid lyrics
    b :a fan or performer of goth

  3. a person who wears mostly black clothing, uses dark dramatic makeup, and often has dyed black hair

Nope, nothing in there about being crude, uncouth, ill-bred, or lacking culture or refinement.

This pretty much sums up the Goth culture today.  Goth glorifies things that are sick, nasty, improper, freakish, and downright demonic.  Goth is NOT just the music.  In fact, not all Goths listen to Goth music. 

Well, that depends.  Some define Goth as only those who are fans of the music.  I tend to be a “big tent Goth” and include all who are fans of the aesthetic.

The Goth subculture is a contemporary subculture found in many countries. It began in the United Kingdom during the early 1980s in thegothic rock scene, an offshoot of the post-punk genre. The Goth subculture has survived much longer than others of the same era, and has continued to diversify. Its imagery and cultural proclivities indicate influences from nineteenth century Gothic literature along with horror movies and -according to César Fuentes Rodríguez and Carol Siegel- to a lesser extent, the BDSM culture.

Well, here’s they actually say something right  Many define the origin point of Goth with the release of Bauhaus’s song “Bela Lugusi’s Dead”.  And, yeah, all of those influences are present to some extent.  But not every Goth follows all of those.

And look at that scary phrase “cultural proclivities”.  Oooh.  This just means people tend to have things in common (while having a great deal of diversity as well).  The main commonality is an appreciation of the “dark” in counterpoint to the light.  Consider the line from the otherwise mediocre movie “Bruce Almighty”, where Morgan Freeman explaining why just answering “yes” to all the prayers was a bad idea:  “If you want to paint pictures like that, you’ve got to use some dark colors.”

Goth’s, in my experience get that.  And it’s reflected in their, in our, outlook.

The Goth subculture has associated tastes in music and fashion, whether or not all individuals who share those tastes are in fact members of the Goth subculture. Gothic music encompasses a number of different styles. Common to all is a tendency towards a lugubrious, mystical sound and outlook. Styles of dress within the subculture range from death rock, punk, androgynous, medieval, some Renaissance and Victorian style clothes, or combinations of the above, most often with black attire, makeup and hair.

SOURCE: Goth subculture – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, well that explains it.  Not able to think for himself, he instead relies on grabbing a quick bit from Wikipedia before going on about crap he doesn’t know the first thing about.
The term “Goth” refers to all categories of Gothics, from Emo ‘Goths’ to black metal ‘Goths’ to vampire ‘Goths; from thrasher ‘Goths’ to punk ‘Goths’ to industrial ‘Goths.’  “Goth” is just a word the media uses to group a certain type of people together.

Emo is not Goth.  Black metal is iffy.  Punk is not Goth.  That idiots like this bozo lump them together just underscores their own ignorance; it doesn’t make it so.

The Goth culture includes Emos/ punks/ Wiccan witches/ self-abusers/ thrashers/ grungers/ heavy metallers, et cetera.  This includes the Marilyn Manson, AC/DC, Smashing Pumpkins, Van Halen and Ozzy Osbourne crowd as well.

And it includes Christians, Agnostics, people who rescue animals, vegetarians, meat-eaters, and many others.  And while some folk into metal are also Goth, neither are all “metalheads” Goth nor are all Goths “metalheads”.

Also AC/DC is not Goth.  Van Halen is not Goth.  Ozzy Osbourne is not Goth.
Goth causes teenage girls to become whores,

The truth is if you look at Goths, actually look at them, you’ll note that they’re usually in couples, serious long-term relationships.  This is bullshit.

depresses kids to the point of cutting themselves,

While some depressive individuals may find themselves attracted to the dark aspects of Goth, it does not cause their problems.  The biggest cause of those problems, frankly, is poor parenting.  But you can’t admit that, can you?  You can’t consider the beam in your own eye so you look for a mote in someone else’s to blame.  You whited sepulcher, outwardly clean but inwardly full of all manner of corruption.

and turns otherwise normal kids into Columbine shooters.  The Goth culture is obsessed with death and the darker side of life, which is clearly evidenced in Goth music.

The dark side is part of life.  People deal with death.  Have you never lost someone you cared about?  Have you ever had bad things happen to you and wondered why?  Have you ever wondered if anyone else felt the pain you did?

Perhaps you haven’t.  Perhaps you’ve lived a charmed life where you’ve never felt the pain of loss or hardship.  Or perhaps you’re so wrapped up in your imaginary friend in the sky that reality never touches you.

I, however, am not.  And so when I’m feeling down or depressed, I can listen to Goth or metal and I feel better because someone else has felt what I feel.  Someone else understands.

Goth is of the Devil.
Goth in itself is a mental illness, a sickness of the soul, mainly affecting teenagers in the same way as schizophrenia would, although to a greater extent.  Its symptoms range from isolation and negativity to aggression and hate for humanity, depression, violent outbursts, low self esteem, self-loathing, self-harming and suicide.  Many Goths turn to a life of crime to feed their addiction to drugs, sadism, violence and perversion.

Wow, that’s breathtaking.  You just make shit up, don’t you?  You might find a few isolated cases but here’s a hint.  The plural of “anecdote” is not data.

You might want to Google “Confirmation Bias”.  Never mind. Here.  I’ll do it for you.

There is a theme running through all these different types of gothic groups, and a common fashion and dress that all tribes of Goth wear.  The clothing is usually dark and sinister looking, sometimes called the ‘gothic uniform.’

You can’t possibly have looked much at Goths to think there’s anything like a uniform.  Yeah, dark colors are common.  But sinister is only in your own mind.

Are all things dark “sinister” to you?  Careful how you answer because it will be used against you.

Goth women often wear black lip stick and paint their eyes so dark with mascara that they look like vampires.

I’ve never met an actual vampire.  I don’t know what they might look like.  Oh, you mean Hollywood’s depiction of vampires, right?  But note that Hollywood depiction comes from a romantic ideal.  The resemblance is simply because they both draw from the same romantic ideal.  Some Goths (and only some) carry that farther and actually dress as vampires with fake fangs and everything.  But, again, that’s drawn from the Hollywood depiction of Vampires as romantic figures.  Take that up with Hammer Films and Anne Rice among others (neither of which are Goth).

Goths are all obsessed with death and despair, with terror and violence, and most Goths use drugs as a form of everyday life.

More bullshit.  Goths cover a wide range.  Most are just ordinary people with an aesthetic that you neither like nor understand.  I’ve known Goth pacifists.

When Sophie Lancaster and her boyfriend were assaulted andSophie was murdered it wasn’t the Goths that resorted to violence.

You, no doubt, would be right in that crowd, kicking and beating on two teenagers who never did anything to you.

Some abuse their children, perform Satanic rituals, and drink human blood.

So do some Christians (some of the things I’ve seen “Christians” do to their children is as bad as any “Satanic ritual”).  And many Christians, through the Eucharist and the Miracle of Transubstantiation believe that they are actually drinking the blood of Christ and eating his flesh.

As for drinking human blood, I’ve got to tell you, when I had nasal surgery a lot of the blood went down that way.  Made me physically ill, not from any horror or distaste, but because, as my doctor explained to me, human blood is an emetic.

Some Goths consider the sharing of body fluids like small amounts of their own blood, to be a form of sharing as or even more intimate than sex.  Not my thing but, hey, so long as everyone’s consenting and this is almost always a matter between committed couples so is no more likely to spread blood borne pathogens than when you and your spouse boink without a condom.

You see, one thing that Goths frequently have that you don’t is a very strong “live and let live” philosophy.

They recognize your right to be a conceited, self-righteous douchebag.

Goths would have us believe that the Columbine Massacre was just an isolated incident; however, here are some alarming statistics:

NORWAY – Vocalist of Mayhem commits suicide. The guitarist Euronymous, upon finding him, takes pictures of his bloody corpse for their album cover, and collects pieces of his skull to make necklaces out of.
NORWAY – Church burnings and murders by Nazi Goths in Norway following Euronymous, lead guitarist of gothic black metal band Mayhem calling on fans to be terrorists for their anti-Christian cause.
NORWAY – Bart Faust, bassist of Goth band Emperor, murders a homosexual.
USA – satanic murders of three innocent little children by Goth monster Damian Echols in West Memphis, Arkansas.
NORWAY – Euronymous murdered by Goth ‘friend’ Varg Vikernes, guitarist of Goth band Emperor.
SWEDEN – Jon Nodtveidt, singer of Goth black metal band Dissection murders man.
USA – Murder of 15 year old Elyse Pahler by Satanist Goth teens Royce Casey, Joseph Fiorella, and Jacob Delashmutt who idolized metal band Slayer and had conspired to kill a virgin girl as a sacrifice to Satan.
Goth Brian Bassett shoots and kills his parents before drowning his 5 year old brother, then proceeds to kick their corpses to the music of silver chair.
USA – The infamous Vampire Clan Murders.
Goth Satanist Luke Woodham brutally beats and stabs mother to death before going into school and killing 2 and injuring 7.
Kimberly Wilson, age 20, her 17-year-old sister, Julia, and their parents, William and Rose Wilson brutally murdered by sick Goths Alex Baranyi and his best friend, David Anderson, both 17.
ITALY – Beasts of Satan cult, Goths into heavy metal, murder 2 teenagers.
USA – 15 dead in the Columbine High school massacre, carried out on the anniversary of Hitler’s birthday by two Nazi obsessed Goths.
USA – World Trade Centre destroyed by plans drawn up 2 year previously by Dylan Klebold, one of the terrorists from Columbine.
GERMANY – Three Goth teenagers ages 14, 17 and 18 committed suicide after forming an online satanic death sect in an internet chat room.
GERMANY – Bride of Satan satanic murder case.
UK – Vampire teenager slaughters frail old woman and drinks her blood.
UK – Alan Menzies also murders man after becoming obsessed with sickening Vampire film ‘queen of the damned’, He claims the queen of the damned ordered him to do it.
UK – Goth Jodi Jones aged 14 brutally murdered by her evil Marilyn Manson obsessed Gothic boyfriend.
Two self-styled vampires jailed for conducting a campaign of religious harassment against a vicar and his family. Scott Bower and Benjamin Lewis were found guilty of waging the three-month campaign against the Reverend Christopher Rowberry, his wife Karen and children Hannah, 15, and Simon, 17.
USA – Lely high school students caught planning copycat Columbine.
Teen Rachelle Waterman from Craig, Alaska masterminds murder of her own mother. She roped two former boyfriends into doing the deed. Her mother Lori ended up bludgeoned to death and her body burned out in the Alaskan wilderness.
Beasts of Satan cult finally stand trial for their evil crimes.
USA – Orlando, Florida, a Goth named Christopher Dunsmoor killed his fiancée, Fawn Trivette. Dunsmoor nearly beheaded Fawn, using a samurai sword.
USA – 105 Year old Minnesota United Church burned to the ground in a hate crime against Christianity by three sick Goth teens on the birthday of Varg Vikernes, a black metal musician now serving time in prison in Norway for murdering a band mate and burning several churches. Vikernes has inspired dozens of copycat church burnings around the world.
USA – Goth Ben W. Fawley, age 38, told Richmond, Virginia police that he killed Virginia Commonwealth University freshman, Taylor Behl, age 17 while having “rough sex.” Though 38, Fawley looked 17 and made it a point to dress like a 17 or 18-year-old Goth kid.
USA – Ten killed in Red Lake High School massacre by Goth Nazi Jeffrey Weise.
Goth David Rodriguez, 18, and a companion abducts 2 children in order to perform satanic ritual, allegedly to get his girlfriend back. Erika Castillo, 6, and her older brother, Oscar, were snatched outside a Little Village library on Friday. Rodriguez planned to carve a pentagram in the girl’s chest.
USA – California, Goth Scott Dyleski, age 16, arrested for the brutal bludgeoning murder of Pamela Vitale, age 52. Vitale was the wife of well-known defense attorney and legal analyst for various cable news outlets, Daniel Horowitz.
These are but a few of thousands of recorded mainstream news events involving Goth killers.  To say that the Goth subculture isn’t dangerous is to be very ignorant indeed.  Goth is of the Devil. 

Inigo Montoya Moment.  “You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.” A rather modest list (compared to the number of murders that have happened worldwide in the same period) isn’t “statistics”.

Also, just because you say “Goth” doesn’t mean they actually are.  Yes, the claim that the Columbine murderers were “Goth” was bruited but other students of the school refuted that claim.  It simply wasn’t true.  Just because you attribute something to “Goth” doesn’t make it so. 

Go back up to where I googled “Confirmation Bias” for you.

The Dangers of Rock Music

Over 30 years ago a woman named Dorothy Retallack conducted experiments using music, plants and their combined environment. These results are famous.

Taking two identical sets of plants in two separated but identical rooms, she exposed them to music. The first set of plants were played quiet placid subdued devotional “religious” classical music, while the other set were subjected to loud aggressive rock music played at full deafening volume 24 hours a day. The plants exposed to rock grew away from the music source, withered and died, while the plants that were played religious music grew towards the music source and thrived.

The lesson? If rock music attacks and kills plants, what does it do to people? I think it’s rather obvious – it does the exact same thing!  Rock music attacks the nervous system, affecting one’s emotional state.  Is it any wonder why Americans, now more than ever before, are blowing-up in anger, flying off the handle, committing suicide, and losing their minds?

Bullshit on multiple levels.  First off others have performed the same experiment, mostr famously the Mythbusters team.  You know what mythbusters found with experiments actually better controlled than in this ridiculous “study” you cite.  They found that the plants exposed to metal actually grew faster than those exposed to classical music.  Oh, and they found that “talking”, whether positive or negative, led to more growth than no talking.

As for the “now more than ever” that’s utter and complete kark.  Violent crime in America is down.  For the last several years it’s been hovering at about half the peak it reached in 1993.  You wouldn’t know that to listen to the media, but the media is lying to you.  Department of Justice statistics tell a different story.

You are using bad science to “explain” something that just isn’t happening

Goth is particularly dangerous because the lyrics to the music often glamorize killing, brutality, sadism, masochism, pedophilia, torture, freakism, and all sorts of heathendom. 

And once again, you have demonstrated that you haven’t actually listened to Goth music.  I’m not surprised.   You declare it “evil” without any actual knowledge and that gives you all the excuse you need to not actually research (real research, not the confirmation bias–see above–crap that you do) to see whether your assessment actually matches reality.

The music is often characterized by relentless yelling and screaming, freakish embellishments of the voice, evil sounding backgrounds, etc.  There just a bunch of sickos.  Magician, Criss Angel, has made millions of dollars with his “Mind Freak” series, and he definitely fits in well with the Goth freak culture.  Criss Angel’s theme song is characterized by his own voice screaming “mind freak” repeatedly at the top of his lungs.  This is Satanic.

More Inigo Montoya here.  Just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it “Satanic”.  Or are you one of those:  There’s vigorous Bible-thumping and there’s “everything else” with “everything else” being of the Devil and, therefore, Satanic.

It’s people like you who drive more people away from Christianity than all the actual Satan worshipers who ever lived.

We read in the Bible in Philippians 2:5, “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.”  God doesn’t want us to walk around singing “mind freak” (which a person cannot help but hear repeatedly in their memory after watching one of Criss Angel’s shows).  Satan is the freak of freaks.  Jesus called Satan the father of all liars (John 8:44). 

Ah, you are one of those.

Goth is a Destructive Influence on Children

A mother who looks and dresses like a sick circus freak, who harms herself in front of her children, who is obsessed with death and suicide, who holds BDSM (i.e., Bondage, Domination, Sadism, and Masochism) parties that consist of bondage and rape, is hardly a fitting role model for children.  That is why Christians ought to be taking a stand against this heinous evil in society. 

And all these things which you attribute to “Goth” which aren’t actually any part of the Goth culture, but rather baggage that some people bring with them.  Often times I’ve seen people with severe depression and suicidal tendencies come to Goth culture and find people who actually understand them, who don’t sneer and look down their noses at them, and simply having people to talk to who do understand them makes them feel better and. they. get. better.

I shudder to think what would happen if someone depressed or suicidal came to you.  You, no doubt, would tell them to pray and “give themselves to Christ.” Some people that works for.  Most it doesn’t.  You’d simply dismiss those others as not having tried hard enough or not being sincere.  “No True Scotsman” is a wonderful fallacy for people like you. (No, I’m not going to Google this one for you.  You’re a big boy.  Do it yourself.)

Oh, and as for self-harm and BDSM?  You might just want to look up the history of the practice of self-flagellation in the Christian religion.  Mote and Beam time again. 

Goth is often associated with sexual immorality and pedophilia.

That you associated it in your demented mind doesn’t make it so.  Immorality?  Most of the times when you see Goths they’re always in couples, long term committed relationships.  From what I’ve seen of Goth couples, they’re at least as successful as Christian ones.

You keep making up things and then using the things you make up as “evidence” for other things you make up.  That’s not even fallacious.  It’s not connected enough to reality to rise to the level of fallacy.

And now we are finding websites that sell gothic clothing for children as young as kindergarten age, so that their sick gothic parents can dress their kids as Halloween freaks just like themselves.

Again, the only reason that’s “bad” is stuff you made up.  Parents generally dress their children according to their own tastes at least until the children are old enough to decide for themselves what they like.

Some websites are even selling ‘bondage’ clothing for babies!  For babies?  Don’t you find that wrong and sick?  Not just from a Christian point of view, but just plain ole common sense.  No wonder children are so messed up nowadays, because their parents are freaks.

First off, I’m going to call “Citation needed” on that.  But let’s go with it.  You might want to look up “swaddling”.  Pediatricians recommend it, restricting the babies movements (which possibly feels more like being in the familiar environment of the womb to them) to help calm them.  Babies have no shyness about crying when they’re unhappy of uncomfortable.  That this calms them down, soothes them shows that it is not uncomfortable or painful to them.  As for somebody choosing something that they find decorative (assuming you didn’t just make that up as you have much else) so what?  The baby doesn’t care.

It is not difficult to let Lucifer into your home (1st Peter 5:8).  The Apostle Paul prophesied in 2nd Timothy 3:6 of the future time when lustful men would creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lust.  From the witchcraft of Sabrina, to the lewdness of Hugh Hefner; from the whores of Desperate Housewives, to the demonic New Age indoctrination of Oprah Winfrey; from the homosexuality of The Ellen DeGeneres (Degenerate) Show, to the lasciviousness of nearly every prime time TV program―Americans have opened the door wide for Satan to creep right into our homes.  In fact, Satan doesn’t even need to creep his way into our homes anymore, because the average American willingly INVITES Satan into their home through the DEVILVISION!  Most people don’t care what they watch anymore.  The TV does the exact OPPOSITE of what the Word of God does.  Television DESENSITIZES people to sin; whereas the Word of God SENSITIZES us to sin… that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful(Romans 7:13).

Thump.  Thump.  Thump.  Thump that Bible.

But you want to know what’s worse than even the “Devilvision”?  The Internet!  Why anybody, anybody at all can put stuff there without any filter whatsoever.

You need to get off it, right away, lest you let Satan into your house.
 Goth and Satanism

Photo to Right: Album cover for one of the top Goth bands, “The Cult.”  Ram and goat horns are extremely popular amongst Satanists.  Paul McCartney even produced an album in 1971 titled, “RAM,” to show his allegiance to Satan.  Check out the Rolling Stones’ 1973 album, “Goat’s Head Soup.”

Wow, that’s breathtaking.  You just kind of make things up.

You want to know another thing that’s popular among Satanist?  The Bible.  I’ve generally found Satanist better versed, and better able to cite the Bible than most Christians.

Here’s the thing, that some groups of people like something does not define that something.  Otherwise all the time a certain holy man spent with Publicans and Sinners would itself be condemnatory.

I could publish an entire website just addressing the demonism which saturates the Goth movement.  The Goth culture is the consequence of a nation that has turned its back on God.  Rock n’ Roll was seemingly innocent back in the 1950s (but it wasn’t).  Then in the 1960s we saw the British Invasion, bringing with it the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, and other heathen bands.  Illegal drug abuse flourished in the 1960s, fornication became epidemic, and a nation decided that the Bible was incompatible with their new amorality.  So in 1962 the Bible was banned from the Public School System.  The 1970s naturally led to the passing of legalized abortion laws, to address the epidemic fornication problem (and all the unwanted babies).  The 1970s began with the introduction of Satanism and occult imagery into much of the Rock music.  The Church of Satan was founded on 06/06/66 by Anton LaVey, whose picture appears inside the Eagles’ Hotel California album cover. 

LaVey in the cover?  False That some people claim to see Lavey there is nothing more than faces in clouds.

Goth deliberately crosses all the lines of proper dress, manners, refinement, and decency.

And yet, unlike you, every Goth I’ve known has been courteous and well mannered.  The dress is more likely to hearken back to Victorian and Edwardian attire, hardly lascivious.

  Goth picks up where Rock ‘n’ Roll leaves off, offering a course in advanced rebellion, sexual immorality, and Satan worship.  The Goth crowd is truly living at the bottom of the barrel of life, right where Satan wants them.  Wiccan witches are naturally attracted to Goth, because they are Luciferians themselves, who worship hundreds of pagan deities; but vehemently deny the Lord Jesus Christ. 

More utter bullshit.  Really, it’s so disconnected from reality that it’s not even wrong.  I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit a more coherent string of words than that.

Most Goths are in committed, usually monogamous relationships.

Some witches are Goth, some aren’t.  Some Goths are witches, some aren’t.  Witches aren’t “Luciferians”.  They don’t believe in any of the figures of the Christian religion.  They don’t believe in your Trinity.  And they don’t believe in your adversary god.  Somebody believing differently from you does not mean they believe in your adversary.

Let me give you the words of another Christian, from another day: “I abjure you in the bowels of Christ to consider the possibility you may be mistaken.”

Pride is a sin, and you are full of it.


Goth is a degenerate form of subculture, that brings with it hate, loneliness, heartache, and woe.  It is sin-centered music (if you dare call it music).  If you are a parent, please steer your teens away from this perverted culture of death and hatred.  If your daughter comes home from school one day with dark mascara around her eyes, and wearing black clothing, she’s being influenced by the wrong crowd at school.  Be a parent!  Put your foot down!  Be as loving and kind as possible, but if that doesn’t work, then be aggressive and say “NO!”  It will be a cold day in Hell before any child of mine is going to tell me what, where, when, or how they’re going to run their life.  As long as I’m paying their bills, and they reside under my roof, then I make the rules!  That’s being a good parent.  If you train your children while they’re still young, then you will eliminate a lot of necessary conflicts when they become teens.  I am amazed when I hear teenagers cursing their parents.  That shouldn’t be.  The key is tough love.  If your kids KNOW that you love them, then they’ll give you their heart.  So many parents neglect their kids, by allowing the TV to raise them, and letting them run the streets all hours of the night.  I hate that commercial which says, “It’s 10 o’clock, do you know where your child is at?”  That’s a lot of bologna!  You had better know where your child is at AT ALL TIMES!!!

Do not allow your children mom and dad to associate with Goths.  I am a stickler for knowing exactly who my children are hanging around.  I don’t want my children associating with homosexual teenagers.  I don’t want my children hanging around creeps, freaks, or troublemakers who are headed for destruction.  Goths are infatuated with vampires, witches, the color black, torture, self abuse, and anything freakish.  Goth is extremely luring to lonely teenagers who don’t seem to fit in anywhere, because Goth is all about being a social misfit, i.e., a freak.  Parents are mostly to blame for not spending quality time with their teens.  Listen parent, you ought to be best friends with your teen.  A teenager who is loved by their parents won’t have a need to identify with others who are in their same lonesome boat.  If you don’t make time for your kids, the Devil certainly will.  Notice I said “make” time.  Life is hectic nowadays, and there’s always too much to do, and there’s never enough money to pay the bills.  Forget the overtime!  You spend some quality time with your teens on a regular basis. 

If you are into Goth yourself, then I ask you as a friend to come to the Lord Jesus Christ, who is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.  You don’t need to identify with the Devil’s crowd anymore.  Goth represents everything that is evil and unholy.  Aren’t you tired of running from God?  God loves you, no matter who you are, or what you have done.  God loves sinners.

I’ve gotta know.  When you wipe the spittle from your keyboard, does it leave the screen extra clean?  Does self-righteousness add an extra luster to the pixels?

As for your “advice”, how about “no”?  Does “no” work for you?  It doesn’t?  Then how about “fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw you self-righteous, bible-thumping, smegma-lipped twatwaffle”?

And I mean that in the nicest possible way.