Happy (or not) World Goth Day

Normally I do these in the evening, but for today I’ll post early.


For those unfamiliar, here’s a brief history of Goths, the Gothic subculture and why “Goth”  even though they, we, were nowhere about when Rome was being sacked. (I’ve got an alibi!)

And some pictures of Goths, being Goth (what can I say, I like couples):

If this interests you, Toxic Tears has some tips on getting started:

6 thoughts on “Happy (or not) World Goth Day”

  1. I wrote a bit here, but decided it was something best not left to public view. Nothing wrong with the Day itself, but I know a bit too much of the making of some sausages, one might say.


  2. I never fully underestood Goth-ism or Goths when I was in high school (~30 years ago!) I understand them even less now. I just can’t make head or tail out of the movement – and I’m honestly not sure if I want to, by this time.

    Besides, I always found it amusing that *I* was called a “confirmist” (despite having actually /started/ a couple of trends unintentionally) when I could barely tell them apart…

    I just don’t get it. And trying to explain it to me now is probably like my wife trying to explain law to me – I can dig the parts that are /malum/ /in/ /se/ – they make sense. The stuff that’s /malum/ /prohibitum/? Why do we even bother having a law for that?


    1. I just can’t make head or tail out of the movement – and I’m honestly not sure if I want to, by this time.

      Just so long as you recognize that there are almost certainly things about your life, style, and habits that other folk find equally puzzling and that’s okay.

      The Japanese, possibly one of the most conformist societies on the planet, nevertheless has the expression “Juu nin to iro” (“Ten people, ten colors”). We’ve got the Latin “De gustibus non est disputandum” (“about tastes, it should not be disputed”) and the English “Different strokes for different folks” (which phrase, apparently, originated in the 1960’s from Muhammed Ali of all people–at least there’s no surviving record of earlier use).

      Or as Kipling put it (he was talking about poetry, but it’s far more generally applicable):
      “There are nine and sixty ways
      Of constructing tribal lays
      And every single one of them is right.”
      (Rudyard Kipling, “In the Neolithic Age”)

      Unfortunately, there are too many of those like Britannus:
      BRITANNUS: Caesar, this is not proper!
      THEODOTUS: How?
      CAESAR: Pardon him, Theodotus. He is a barbarian and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.
      (George Bernard Shaw, “Caesar and Cleopatra”)

      Entirely too many people think their own ways and views are “the one true way” simply because they’re theirs, or it’s simply what they grew up with, or because “the majority says so”.

      I’ve always been an outsider. I’ve been given advice on “fitting in” and I’ve tried, really I have, but it never worked. The put-on mask apparently never “looked right” to others (and may, indeed, have been just enough off to create a kind of “uncanny valley”) and worse, never felt right to me. For a long time the attempt to be “normal” had become so habitual that I never even recognized the problem. I have a much better fit for my internal self now.


      1. That’s why I am I suppose “Goth adjacent” or such. Not into it for itself, but do not mind. But have felt if perhaps not welcome, at least not-unwelcome moreso than usual. And since it’s (generally, though not universally) sane ‘outsiders’ the intelligence level is appreciated.


  3. To go into the whole Goth explanations which were spot on, then you added the “goth” toxic tears trying to explain what her version of Goth actually is. If you look on her page it’s full of her wearing anime outfits and pink everywhere…. She isn’t Goth, she’s making money from the aesthetic though.


    1. [shrug]Being goth does not mean one is forbidden from ever looking/doing/expressing/liking non-goth things. One can read things other than The Castle of Otranto, Dracula, and Camilla (etc). One can listen to bands other than Bauhaus and Joy Division. And, yes, one can dress in colors other than black, purple, and dark red.

      Toxic Tears points at sources for the music and history, and she does point out the importance of the music (although I rank the music a bit higher priority than she does). I happened to have that particular video ready to hand because she was one of the first “alt” personalities I found on YouTube. It was convenient and whether one agrees with whether she’s “goth” (or “goth enough” or whatever) or not, the advice strikes me as solid for someone who is “goth curious” maybe a bit heavy on fashion/style compared to one’s “inner goth” but that’s what people see so it’s understandable.

      Instead of worrying about whether she’s goth enough, why not provide sources you would point a goth-curious person to for advice if they’re wanting to see if goth is right for them?


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